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Indeed. As long as you're having fun, go with it.

We have no defender in the Treasures of Varinia game here, and the tricky part is less that we have no defender and more that we have no melee. Had we gone with a melee artificer and bard, it wouldn't be a problem. This group has a melee presence and plenty of healing, so you'll be fine.
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Salazar Miller - Human Sorcerer 24 - Scales of War
Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
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Gary wrote
Indeed. As long as you're having fun, go with it.

We have no defender in the Treasures of Varinia game here, and the tricky part is less that we have no defender and more that we have no melee. Had we gone with a melee artificer and bard, it wouldn't be a problem. This group has a melee presence and plenty of healing, so you'll be fine.


Yes, and in our Eberron campaign with four PC's we have the opposite concern at times. Only one character can make ranged attacks.

Here in Kingmaker, with the invoker and defending cleric, we've got ranged attacks and with the monk and runepriest we've got melee attacks. I vote for Nathan to play a striker as he initially wanted to.
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So, we've got our group:

Leader - Magda, Human Cleric (Emily)
Leader - Korrin, Dwarf Runepriest (Jonathan)
Striker - Takeo, Half-Orc Monk (Viktor)
Striker - Variel, Elf Ranger (Nathan)
Controller - Uriah, Dwarf Invoker (Greg)

I believe I have everything except Greg's and Nathan's images. I will wait to start at this point until Greg is done with his move and is back online, which should be in about a week.

Feel free to continue working on how your PC's might now each other. Emily, Jonathan, and Viktor have a good story for their PC's.

If the recent rules updates changed your character, feel free to send me a new CB file.

I was looking at the kingdom leadership roles in the second adventure. Other than Ruler, they all key off your choice of two stats.

The PC's strengths:

Emily - Wis/Cha (cleric)
Viktor - Dex/Str (monk)
Jon - Str/Con/wis (runepriest)
Nathan - Dex/Wis (ranger)
Greg - Wis/Con (invoker)

Str - 2 (Viktor, Jon)
Con - 2 (Jon, Greg)
Dex - 2 (Viktor, Nathan)
Int - 0
Wis - 4 (Emily, Jon, Nathan, Greg)
Cha - 1 (Emily)

The roles:
Ruler - Charisma
Councilor - Wis or Cha
General - Str or Cha
Grand Diplomat - Int or Cha
High Priest - Wis or Cha
Magister - Int or Cha
Marshal - Dex or Wis
Royal Assassin - Str or Dex
Spymaster - Dex or Int
Treasurer - Int or Wis
Warden - Str or Con

You can recruit friendly NPC's to fill out any positions the PC's don't fill (most positions have a penalty to the kingdom if you leave them vacant). Ruler should really be a PC, though.

You have only one good Charisma PC and no good Intelligence PC's. You guys sure are Wisdom heavy, though! That'll skew which positions you take and which you fill with NPC's.
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Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
Khavak'aashta - Half-Orc Thief 5 - Eberron
Dwimmerlaik - Revenant Hexblade 2 - Dark Campaign
« Last edit by Gary on Fri May 07, 2010 1:00 pm. »
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Korrin would love to be high priest, but that is probably not a good idea given his not believing in the gods. So, maybe councilor? We don't need to decide now, though, right?
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Ruler? I suggest we have a rotating executive officer. Any long term decisions of that officer can be ratified at a by-weekly meeting of the party.

Jon, I hope we don't need to start calling dibs already. :)
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These are the five roles that Takeo has a good stat value in. He will never want to be Ruler, High Priest, or Grand Diplomat. Of the non-ideal roles, he would more than happily accept the role of treasurer. ;)

I don't know if we can decide about rotating roles until we really know how the whole role thing works.

Given Takeo's build, Royal Assassin and Spymaster seem the best fit. Gary, can a PC have more than one role?

Looks like we'll have a benevolent kingdom with Magda as Ruler, since she's the only one with decent CHA.

General - Str or Cha
Marshal - Dex or Wis
Royal Assassin - Str or Dex
Spymaster - Dex or Int
Warden - Str or Con

Treasurer - Int or Wis
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I agree, no sense in calling dibs, though Variel and Takeo might work out how to handle the "problem solving" rolls between themselves ;)
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« Last edit by nmathew on Fri May 07, 2010 3:20 pm. »
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nmathew wrote
Ruler? I suggest we have a rotating executive officer. Any long term decisions of that officer can be ratified at a by-weekly meeting of the party.

Jon, I hope we don't need to start calling dibs already. :)


Heh.

PC's can trade roles from month to month (kingdom action moves in monthly turns). PC's can only fill one role, other roles are either vacant or filled by NPC's.

You don't have to worry about it yet, the kingdom part comes after we finish the first adventure. I was just thinking out loud and giving you guys a heads up.
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BTW, Nathan, which ranger build did you end up going?
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Beastmaster with an easy conversion option to Hunter if I don't like it, or we get a stand-and-fight defender in the group.
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Beastmaster sounds great. You get your striker, the party gets an extra body with your beast, and nobody on deadgoblins has played one yet.
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I'm back online, in a somewhat limited capacity. I have consistent access and a fair amount of free time, but I'm running on a tiny, tiny netbook that can't do some things. Such as run Character Builder.

Uriah probably fits best as Councilor, or maybe Marshal, depending on exactly what that turns out to be. If it's sort of a "chief of Gestapo" role, then it's got Uriah written all over it.

Looking at that list, we seem to have a distinct lack of Cha, and there are a lot of Cha-based roles. We're missing Int too, but that is less prominent in the list. How did we all make socially inept characters for what promises to be a social game? Oops. :) Anyway, if I remember right (don't have my sheet now) Uriah ended up with Cha 13 and a decent intimidate score; he might be able to fill in a Cha role in a pinch.
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Of course Magda will be the ruler, of the benevolent dictator sort.

Actually, I am confused about these roles - ruler, councilor, high priest, etc. Also, I'm not at all clear on what you mean by monthly turns. Gary, can you explain this better?
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The different leadership roles are positions that can be filled by each PC or an NPC. Each has a different task in the kingdom, and a character can only fill one role. If a position is vacant, there's usually a penalty. So you'll need to find good NPC's that have strengths you don't (like Int or Cha) to keep all the roles filled.

Between adventuring, you take monthly turns for the kingdom. During the turn, your kingdom can grow, you can build things, you can set policy, and different events can take place. Imagine Civilization in D&D. :)

Don't worry, you won't need to use the kingdom rules till after the first adventure, and when they are closer to coming into play, I'll explain them more fully.

I do need to explain the exploration rules sooner rather than later, though, as those come into play in the first adventure. I'll post those and start the game thread maaaybe later this week, but no later than this weekend.
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Khavak'aashta - Half-Orc Thief 5 - Eberron
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I've very interested in tying Variel's backstory to another character's. If either dwarf is old enough, they could have been members of a now defunct adventuring party ~100 years ago. Alternately, Variel would be well traveled in southern Brevoy, though generality in the wild for years -12 to -2 of the current year. He could have met someone before or after that time, or have met another character who was traveling during that time frame.
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Magda traveled extensively through southern Brevoy doing her missionary work. She could have easily come across Variel then. Maybe his beast companion caused a ruckus at one of her Sun Festivals? I'm open to other ideas.
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Sounds like a plan. Variel's beast companion is a bit unusual. It's clearly based off of the gearman technology, and it looks something like this, User posted image
User posted image
I'm going to play it as a semi-intelligent raptor like bird, so it's certainly capable of drawing attention to itself if it desires. Variel considers the contraction a part of his path along the Brightness, more or less the elf opinion of religion and how to lead their lives. That opens an avenue of conversation, though he's far from an ardent religious observer.
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I don't have a particularly good grip on the geography of Golarion, and in particular I don't know where Uriah grew up and how he came to be in Brevoy. His pre-Asmodeus days are a possible source of a connection with other PCs, if there's a good place for him to have come from that intersects with someone else's background.

I figure he took to adventuring only fairly recently, as a means to increase his personal power while striking a blow against those who deserve it. It's possible that he could have encountered other PCs on previous adventures, though that seems a bit redundant, since we'll start the game with an adventure together under our belts already.
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I'll be getting the in-game thread started later today.

Nathan, did you see the Class Acts: Ranger article with lots of new stuff for beastmaster rangers?

http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/drcact/20100512
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Salazar Miller - Human Sorcerer 24 - Scales of War
Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
Khavak'aashta - Half-Orc Thief 5 - Eberron
Dwimmerlaik - Revenant Hexblade 2 - Dark Campaign
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I saw that ranger article and was hoping it would have stuff for my two-blade ranger. For beastmaster rangers, the feat "Flanking Beast Master" looks good. I also like the level 1 daily Seismic Strike and the level 5 daily Beastly Protector. I suppose we have to wait until dragon 387 hits charbuilder though.

Excited to start playing Kingslayer, err, Kingmaker!
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The adventure thread is up!

http://deadgoblins.com/topic.php?id=108
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Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
Khavak'aashta - Half-Orc Thief 5 - Eberron
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I do need a couple of things from each of you still, come to think of it:

1 - Wish lists: Please e-mail them to me. If you want me to pick for you, that's fine.

2 - Stat blocks: Please make sure you have them soon. There's some talkin' to start off, but as you can guess, there'll be fightin' soon enough.

Greg, here's a sample for you to use:

  •  Salazar Miller
    • Male Human Sorcerer 8
    • Passive Perception: 13, Passive Insight: 13, Senses: Normal
    • AC: 22, Fort: 21, Reflex: 18, Will: 24 - Speed: 6
    • HP: 64/64, Bloodied: 32, Surge Value: 18, Surges left: 10/10
    • Action Points: 1
    • Resists: 5 Fire, 5 Necrotic

    • Dragon Scales (Class): +2 AC until the end of an encounter once first bloodied.
    • Dragon Soul (Class): Resist 5 fire, pierce 5 fire resistance in enemies.
    • Action Surge (Feat): +3 to hit with attacks gained via Action Point.

    • Powers
    • -Blazing Starfall
    • -Burning Spray
    • -Dragonfrost
    • -Dragon's Breath (requires familiar in active mode)
    • -Flame Spiral
    • -Rimestorm
    • -Second Wind
    • -Spatial Trip
    • -Sudden Scales
    • -Thundering Roar
    • -Ice Javelins
    • -Sun's Illumination
    • -Winds of Change

    • Items
    • -Staff of Ruin +2 - +2 attack / +4 damage, +2d10 damage on a crit.
    • -Armor of Resistance (Necrotic) +2 - Resist 5 Necrotic.
    • -Choker of Eloquence +2 (Daily) - Free Action. Use this power after you roll a Bluff or Diplomacy check. Reroll that check, using the second result even if it's lower.
    • -Gauntlets of Blood (Heroic) - +2 damage against bloodied targets.
    • -Belt of Raging Endurance (Encounter) - Immediate Interrupt. Trigger: An enemy hits you and causes damage. Effect: You gain resist 15 against that attack, but you also take 10 damage at the end of your next turn. Also, gain 1 healing surge
    • -Potion of Healing (Heroic) x2


As we start this game using new characters, please - for my benefit and your fellow players - spell out all your combat maneuvers thoroughly as we all learn what you're capable off.
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Salazar Miller - Human Sorcerer 24 - Scales of War
Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
Khavak'aashta - Half-Orc Thief 5 - Eberron
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Also, I started a couple of threads for your use:

Strategy and Tactics - http://deadgoblins.com/topic.php?id=107

Leveling Up (never too early to dream! :) ) - http://deadgoblins.com/topic.php?id=109
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Salazar Miller - Human Sorcerer 24 - Scales of War
Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
Khavak'aashta - Half-Orc Thief 5 - Eberron
Dwimmerlaik - Revenant Hexblade 2 - Dark Campaign
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Gary, thanks for the link. I hadn't seen that one yet.


Greg, though we've started, I'm still interested in trying to worm Varial into people's backstories. Variel is fairly well traveled, though he's been more or less off the grid in recent memory. It's certainly possible he could havew worked as a tracker or scout for Uriah's dwarf clan over a decade ago.
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Sentinel - Warforged Shielding Swordmage (Eberron)
Allena Walmond - Human Paladin of Amaunator (Forgotten Realms)
Variel - Elf Beastmaster Ranger
Thaelan the Clanless - Dwarf Protector Spirit Shaman (Dungeon Delve 4)
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