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Hey everyone. So after the failed FR experiment, we are going to try again, but I will be DMing. I wanted to take a little time to see what interest there is. I would like anywhere from 4-7 characters. Like Viktor, there will be one complete redo of your character before level 3, and unlimited updating as new source material comes out. Also, we will do the 1-2 free expertise feats.

Timing. I have been working on the first couple adventures, but am still doing maps and such. I would like to start somewhere around April, once we all have a chance to digest PHB3.

Let me know if you are interested, and what sort of character you would want to play. Yay for more DnD!!!
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Also, I wanted to say that this will be a semi-sandbox campaign for at least the beginning of the heroic tier. As you talk to NPCs, you will hear rumors of bad guys, and you will be asked to do things. This way you guys will get to shape the way the campaign goes. You can do some of these things, all of them, or none, though sitting around the inn all day would get a little old. Which ones you do will have an effect on later adventures, and allies you make will stay around if you need them. Same with enemies.
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I'm in! (duh!) I love the FR setting.

I like the sandbox idea, kind of like a computer rpg. Sounds harder to implement than a linear campaign though.

I'm interested in playing either a controller or defender character, but which type and which class/race might depend on the rest of the party arrangement. Two immediate ideas are Storm Warden (minotaur maybe) which is a defender with strong controller aspects and Swarm Druid (wilden maybe) which a controller with some striker aspects. I can play other roles too of course, if there's a need.

Speaking of FR, there's a very neat FR background in charbuilder called Windrise Ports. It allows a character to have two multi-classes instead of just one over the course of your career. Would that be an option?
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« Last edit by Viktor on Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:51 am. »
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I haven't looked at the FR backgrounds. Obviously WotC means for these to be used, but I recall many of them being way too overpowered. I personally wouldn't have a problem with two multi-classes, since we have hybrids now who can also multiclass, so it does not seem to me to be against the spirit of the thing. So I think we will say for the time being, unless anyone has an overwhelming reason why not, that it is in.
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I'm in, of course. I'm not sure yet what I'll play. Almost certainly NOT a PHB1 class (unless it's hybrid with a later class). But I'll need to see what PHB3 brings. I've certainly got plenty of ideas bouncing around.
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Sweet. That's 2!
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I will probably play and it probably be Berna, the halfling rogue that never got very far in the original deadgoblins game.

I agree that the backgrounds are uneven and don't like using them.
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Awesome.

I like PHB2 style backgrounds (add a skill as a class skill choice or +2 to a skill). I think the FR backgrounds are wonky and unbalanced.
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Emily wrote
I will probably play and it probably be Berna, the halfling rogue that never got very far in the original deadgoblins game.

I agree that the backgrounds are uneven and don't like using them.


Cool! Yeah, a lot of the FR backgrounds are way too good, like the Impiltur background that allows use of Wisdom instead of Constitution for hp calculation. If they had the equivalent for all the attributes then it would be a more balanced selection, but then we might as well just add 8 hp to everyon's PC to begin with.

The reason I asked about the windrise ports background specifically is that I have an idea of a half-elven, multi-multi-classing, in my mind. Don't even know if that would work well though.
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« Last edit by Viktor on Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:49 pm. »
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I just realized that bards can have multiple multi-classes by default anyhow, so windrise ports wouldn't be necessary.
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In fact, windrise sorta steps on the bard's toes. It did come out before the bard, though.
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I think I will sit this one out for now. I am a little oversaturated on DnD. Besides, we should get some new blood into the permanent campaigns.
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I just realized the DDXP Dark Sun battlemind character sheet is the type of battlemind NOT in the Character Builder yet.

http://critical-hits.com/2010/01/29/dd-xp-2010-dark-sun-characters/

The sheet shows the other two at-wills (both of which I like more than the ones in the CB now) and the alternate feature (Battle Resilience instead of Speed of Thought).

Intriguing. A half-elf quick (Cha) battlemind looks cool, but I definitely see a LOT of potential with a dwarf "tough" (Wis, don't see a name for the build/feature anywhere) battlemind, too.

Ah well, still gotta wait to see what the full class looks like in March, but more to ponder for me (as if I needed tougher character choices)...
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So, ignoring PHB1 classes (which I'm ruling out unless Martial Power 2 wows me, which it certainly might) and anything I'm playing already regularly here or on EN World, here are some possibilities I'm considering. The PHB3 class possibilities are more vague, since we only have one build of them (or none for the runepriest).

Defender:
Battlemind - Like the idea and what we've seen so far. Dwarf or half-elf possible.
Swordmage - Really enjoyed my Delve #3 tiefling swordmage. Could go with that, or a genasi (wanted to play a genasi since they came out). Assault aegis either way.
Warden - Human or dwarf possible here. Earthstrength or stormheart interesting.

Leader:
Bard - Really dug my Delve #1 bard. Could go dragonborn again, or human, half-elf, or something else. Definitely more melee-focused, Valorous vitrue.
Shaman - Human or dwarf, probably world speaker build. Seems like a very useful character, flavor could be interesting.
We don't know anything about the runepriest from PHB3 besides the name, so can't comment. Not as excited about the ardent I'm running in Delve #5 as I expected, so currently not on the list. The other ardent build might be interesting, we'll see.

Striker:
Assassin - If ever there was a campaign in which to play a drow assassin, FR is it. :)
Avenger - Dwarf (unity) - would kick butt teaming up with Emily's rogue, since unity has some leaderish buffs and does more damage with allies nearby.
Barbarian - Like the thunderborn build, could go human or goliath.
Monk - Half-orc, if the Str build looks fun.

Controller
Invoker - Human (wrathful). I've yet to play a caster-y controller (my EN World druid is beast/melee based), and I like the possibilities here.
Psion - Maybe tiefling, maybe gnome.
Seeker - Elf (bloodbond). Really enjoyed my Delve #4 seeker.

I know, I know, far from conclusive.

If I had to narrow it down to a combo from each role, it'd probably be:
Genasi assault swordmage
Dragonborn valorous bard
Dwarf unity avenger
Human wrathful invoker.

Of course, this is without knowing all of what PHB3 (or MP2) will bring, and it ignores hybrids...

Still, it helps me to sort out the options by typing them up like this.
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« Last edit by Gary on Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm. »
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So, mock-ups of three leading candidates.

Human World Speaker Shaman - Very neat looking leader. Good healing, but also great at-will options. Can give a save or allow a 2 square shift with no hit required, or grant Combat Advantage with a hit. The shifting and CA at-wills are fantastic with a rogue in the party, and saves are awesome, especially as you level up.

Human Wrathful Invoker - Can target all three defenses with his at-wills in different shapes - single target, triple target with no friendly fire issues, and close blast. Provides good radiant damage.

Dwarf Unity Avenger - Very fun looking striker with a dash of leader-y buff ability, and rolling twice to hit with an execution axe (high crit!) is fun.

All three look pretty fun and interesting (as does a genasi swordmage... no mockup at the moment, but likely similar to my Delve #3 tiefling swordmage with a little less fire stuff).

The shaman is built without an expertise feat, as I'm waiting to see the final house rule on that here. The invoker and avenger are slightly off as they were mock-ups for Josh's game. All character drafts pending final tweaks due to available materials and/or party composition, of course.
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Okay, test build of the defender possibility:

Genasi Assault Swordmage - Fullblade and aegis of assault makes for a pseudo-striker (mark and move, so the enemies almost have to take a swing at someone else, then I teleport in and get a free fullblade basic attack... worked well with my delve swordmage, and he was only using a longsword).

Luring Strike and Earthshock would do wonders to set up combat advantage for the rogue. Sword Burst, Sword of Sigils, and Dragon's Teeth give three good multi-target enemy only blast/burst force damage options, and SoS and DT do well at punishing foes who don't go after me.

Very mobile with Luring Strike and the Aegis teleporting. Not super-tough (only 27 HP and 17 AC), though. Lots of fun to be had here. Might work better with a second defender in the group, if we have enough PC's to double up a role. And as I said, the fullblade and frequent extra attacks, give a bit of striker, but the burst/blast, "come get me or take damage" options a sorta controller-y, too.
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hello everyone,

Jonathan invited me to join in this campaign and I would really enjoy playing with everyone.

To make sure that I'm committed, I would like to join in the next delve to make sure I am up to playing a full campaign. I look forward to role playing again.
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Glad to have you. Ok. So far, it looks like we have 4: Ari, Gary, Em, Viktor. Josh is sitting this one out, it looks like. Mike? Nathan(s)? Sam? Jasmine? Marek? I am up to having as many as 7 full-time characters, and it might even be fun to try a party that large.
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Looks like Gary is all revving up to go again. ;)

I too have several choices for characters.

Defender: storm warden, reach weapon fighter, battlemind, ardent vow paladin

Striker: beast mastery ranger, cosmic sorceror, monk

Controller: swarm druid, preserving invoker, seeker, psion

Leader: prescient half-elven bard, runepriest

As you can see, lots of options. I'm glad to fit whatever gap is needed and if we indeed have 5+ players it may not matter what I choose. My top choices at this moment are storm warden, swarm druid, cosmic sorceror, and prescient bard. I really like the idea of a half-elven bard that multiclasses into two or three other classes. An elf of the world! I'm curious to see what the second battlemind, monk, and seeker builds are and also what the runepriest is like, so no final decisions yet.
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If you go beast ranger and I go shaman, that'll be a crowded battle map. :) could be very effective, though, especially with getting CA for Emily's rogue.

What we need is some else to say what they're playing so Viktor and I can narrow our choices down. :)
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So my copy of Martial Power 2 arrived today. Expect a dozen martial character ideas from me by tomorrow afternoon, despite my previous claim of no PHB1 classes. :)
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Mine has not yet arrived. :'(

Let us know about the highlights, once you've had a look.
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A quick skim of the new class features and at-wills (always the first things I look at) leaves me impressed with the brawler fighter (use a one-handed weapon and no shield and you get +1 to AC and +2 to Fort, and bonuses to grabs, which a lot of the new fighter powers do) and the archer warlord (lose chain and light shield prof, but gain military ranged weapon prof, and can use Str to make ranged attacks with bows, interesting powers available, which key off of Int or Wis secondary).
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I would like to play, but I really don't know what to play as.
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Awesome. Happy to have you join the group, Sam.

The first question I'd ask regarding what you might play is, are you enjoying your fighter in the delve? If so, you could go with that sort of character in this game.

If you'd like to try something different, either a different defender besides fighter, or another role all together, I'm happy to help provide suggestions.

One fun way to consider character options - what character from myth, books or movies would you like to emulate? If you want to be like Legolas, go ranger, if you want to be like Lancelot, go fighter, etc.
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