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I liked the cleric/invoker because lance of faith also gains +2 dmg from power of winter. Also, I lose what seems to be very little of my invoker capabilities. I gain holy word (once per encounter) and lose armor of wrath. I gain lance of faith and lose either mantle of the infidel or astral wind.
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If it automatically works that way, its fine.
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ok, recalculating ;)
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Ari wrote
I asked Jonathan earlier, he said he wasn't going to add dmg to implement attacks from weapon focus.


It's legal per the Character Builder. Salazar the sorcerer is enjoying Weapon Focus (Staff) already.

He also may go Kensei for his paragon path, as the damage fromthat works with implement/weapons, too. :)
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Ari wrote
I liked the cleric/invoker because lance of faith also gains +2 dmg from power of winter. Also, I lose what seems to be very little of my invoker capabilities. I gain holy word (once per encounter) and lose armor of wrath. I gain lance of faith and lose either mantle of the infidel or astral wind.


True, invoker doesn't lose all that much, compared to other classes, when hybriding. And getting two at-wills that benefit from one domain feat is nice. Maybe look for ones that do Hand of Radiance and Astral Seal? I have an at-will that grants saves even if it misses, so Lance of Faith is a bit redundant (if that's the save granting one like I'm thinking it is).
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Vulnerabilities do not stack, but if one power creates a greater vulnerability then the higher one sticks. Also, if the invoker start early in the initiative and makes an enemy vulnerable to radiant, then the paladin will do the extra damage already in that round (and vice versa). Then, if the paladin (who will likely be low on the initiative list) casts another radiant vulnerability, it will stick for the invoker next round, etc. etc. Basically a way to keep the vulnerability going, but not necessarily crucial.
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I think astral wind is much more useful than mantle of the infidel. Astral wind is nice when armor of wrath is not enough; it'll keep me alive :mrgreen:.

Mantle of the infidel seems useful, but after examination I don't know. The reduction is great, but how often will an enemy whose marked attack some one else? Does this power only encourage enemies to stay focused on defenders? Is this valuable?
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I just had a thought, if anyone is going to be doing a lot of burst/blast radiant damage (or burst/blast any damage), it might be okay to have my risilient battlemind inside the zone at times when his resistance to damage is active.
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Just checked, Lance of Faith is radiant damage and an attck boost to an ally. I was thinking of Sacred Flame on the save granting ar will. LoF is fine. Astral seal bis still nice to add tons of healing, though.
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Ari wrote
I think astral wind is much more useful than mantle of the infidel. Astral wind is nice when armor of wrath is not enough; it'll keep me alive :mrgreen:. Mantle of the infidel seems useful, but after examination I don't know. The reduction is great, but how often will an enemy whose marked attack some one else? Does this power only encourage enemies to stay focused on defenders? Is this valuable?
If my battlemind marked the enemy, then the enemy will very likely try attacking someone else, since it can effectively avoid retribution with the current battlemind rules. Also, the more we can keep enemies attacking the battlemind and paladin, the better I think.
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Gary wrote
Just checked, Lance of Faith is radiant damage and an attck boost to an ally. I was thinking of Sacred Flame on the save granting ar will. LoF is fine. Astral seal bis still nice to add tons of healing, though.


Yes! Astral Seal rocks! It has added accuracy to hit, debuffs, and provides healing to one ally that hits the target. Neverending healing!
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I have a question. If I have two feats that affect the same at will power, will they both take effect?
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If the two feats affect different aspects of the power, then yes. For example, if one feat says you can use the at-will as a basic ranged attack and the other gives +2 damage, then both take effect.

Okay, that was my last post before my trip. Back on Sunday evening.
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The exception are domain feats. If you have two domain feats that affect the same power, you can only use one of the effects on any given use of the power. Each time you use the power, you decide whether to use the effects of one domain or the other.
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here is a modified version of my hybrid invoker/cleric.

Mika Jondesha, level 1
Human, Cleric|Invoker
Covenant Manifestation: Manifestation of Wrath
Hybrid Invoker: Hybrid Invoker Reflex

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 8, Con 14, Dex 10, Int 10, Wis 20, Cha 11.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 8, Con 14, Dex 10, Int 10, Wis 18, Cha 11.


AC: 16 Fort: 13 Reflex: 12 Will: 17
HP: 25 Surges: 8 Surge Value: 6

TRAINED SKILLS
Intimidate +7, Religion +5, Endurance +6, Insight +10

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics -1, Arcana, Bluff, Diplomacy, Dungeoneering +5, Heal +5, History, Nature +5, Perception +5, Stealth -1, Streetwise, Thievery -1, Athletics -2

FEATS
Human: Weapon Focus (Staff)
Level 1: Power of Torment
Feat User Choice: Implement Expertise (Rod)
Feat User Choice: Focused Expertise (Quarterstaff)

POWERS
Bonus At-Will Power: Astral Seal
Hybrid at-will 1: Hand of Radiance
Hybrid at-will 1: Mantle of the Infidel
Hybrid encounter 1: Lightning's Revelation
Hybrid daily 1: Silent Malediction
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Mechanically, that's a pretty good set up, Ari. There's just the issue of, well, playing a character that worships one of the evil gods with the torment domain. Not so sure about that.
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Gary wrote
Mechanically, that's a pretty good set up, Ari. There's just the issue of, well, playing a character that worships one of the evil gods with the torment domain. Not so sure about that.


I have to agree - having a PC be a follower of a god of sin, torment and pain is not such a good idea. It would be tough to integrate into a group with the other party members. Unless of course all the PCs are evil, but I'm not too keen on that. I guess it is also up to the DM.
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We will work that out, perhaps change the deities around slightly so Ari can have the domains he wants without ruining party balance.
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I have been wondering how a pc who worships such a god would play nice with others? The authors of D&D must have accounted for a party member to have such a personality? Maybe one would only be tormenting and evil to those who "deserve" such treatment?
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Jonathan and I were talking about this. There's actually a good-aligned deity you could justify adding Torment to:

Ilmater the Martyr - http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Ilmater

Ilmater basically believes in undergoing torment so good folks don't have to. :P The torment domain entry in Divine Power even mentions how torment is usually evil, but it's possible a good deity who suffers so others don't might grant it. That's pretty much Ilmater.
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Ok, I was wondering if people think a pure invoker would still be better for the team?
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The countdown to PHB3 on the CB is starting, meaning the FR game will be up and running in just a few weeks. The party:

Emily - Rogue
Nathan - Paladin
Gary - Shaman
Sam - Barbarian
Viktor - Leaning Battlemind
Ari - Invoker or Invoker/Cleric Hybrid

With the CB update scheduled for April 6ish, we will aim to start Sunday, April 11. Please email me with your backgrounds and such, and I will work offline with each of you on hooks.
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Here's the Dwarf Resilient Battlemind build I'm going with. He's a severe dwarf with restrained elemental fury and lots of resistance to many different things. Foregeborn heritage grants resist 2 fire, lightning, cold, acid at all times. His role as a defender will be secondary to the paladin and more geared towards forcing enemies away from himself and any allies adjacent to him or harassing one main enemy exclusively by biting down and not letting go.

level 1
Dwarf, Battlemind
Build: Resilient Battlemind
Psionic Study: Battle Resilience
Background: Orc Slayer (+2 to Intimidate)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 18, Dex 12, Int 8, Wis 18, Cha 12.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 16, Dex 12, Int 8, Wis 16, Cha 12.


AC: 19 Fort: 14 Reflex: 13 Will: 16
HP: 33 Surges: 13 Surge Value: 8

TRAINED SKILLS
Heal +9, Intimidate +8, Endurance +9

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics -1, Arcana -1, Bluff +1, Diplomacy +1, Dungeoneering +6, History -1, Insight +4, Nature +4, Perception +4, Religion -1, Stealth -1, Streetwise +1, Thievery -1, Athletics -2

FEATS
Level 1: Forgeborn Heritage
Feat User Choice: Weapon Expertise (Axe)

POWERS
Battlemind at-will 1: Iron Fist
Battlemind at-will 1: Bull's Strength or Twisted Eye
Battlemind daily 1: Aspect of Elevated Harmony
Battlemind class encounter: Battle Resilience
Forgeborn encounter: Elemental Legacy

ITEMS
Scale Armor, Battleaxe, Heavy Shield
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« Last edit by Viktor on Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:57 pm. »
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For those of you who are done with your characters, please send me the char builder files and images. Viktor, are you willing to make tokens? Other than Gary's SC, any other regular things you will be summoning?
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I'm happy to make tokens for all PC's, summonings, or conjurations. Whoever wants a token can either post their jpeg here (in the post, not just the avatar please) or email the jpeg to me at vpmoser@yahoo.com.
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