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The page I use when shopping for colors is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_colors

I'd recommend a warm color for your ardent, since Kurvilis and Khav each are on the dark side.
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Salazar Miller - Human Sorcerer 24 - Scales of War
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Color options for my ardent. Any preferences on the eyes?


khaki
burlywood
firebrick
darkorange
aquamarine
darkgoldenrod



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Ravenblade - Dwarf Two-Weapon Ranger, Hammer of Moradin (Scales of War)
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khaki - too light
burlywood - too light
firebrick - good
darkorange - good
aquamarine - too light
darkgoldenrod - good

Also, I find bolding colored text helps readability.
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Salazar Miller - Human Sorcerer 24 - Scales of War
Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
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I like the darkgoldenrod.
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Darkgoldenrod it is then. Also known as the dirty 3CPO color. I prefer not to bold the color. Curiously, the darkgoldenrod looks almost exactly like my ardent's hair color.

On a different note. Josh, are you allowing two free expertise/implement feats?

If so, I think I would take Gary's suggestion and go with heavy blade and polearm expertise. The ardent will be carrying around a halberd and falchion. As level 1 feat, I'm thinking of taking Bolstering Mantle, which grants one ally in burst 5, either 5 temp HP or a saving throw, when the ardent uses a healing surge.
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Ravenblade - Dwarf Two-Weapon Ranger, Hammer of Moradin (Scales of War)
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Well, I was thinking more like a single free weapon expertise and a single free implement expertise. The point of expertise is that you are better with that type of weapon or implement than the normally proficient person. I don't think two weapon or two implement expertises would really fit that. Once Christmas is over, I'll get more involved in character creation and also in my characters for delve 5 and PoL.
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Mal Geminous - Tiefling Warlord, Scales of War
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Updating...

Jon - Kurvilis, gnome illusionist wizard (controller)
Gary - Khavak'aashta, half-orc tempest fighter-rogue (striker/defender)
Viktor - Lanharath, kalashtar clarity ardent (leader)
Nathan - ???, warforged swordmage (defender)
Marek - ???
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Since Josh will be permitting just one free weapon/implement expertise, I'm debating between polearms and heavy blades. There's a neat paragon tier feat called Polearm Gamble that requires strength 15 however. It allows you to make an opp. attack whenever an enemy moves adjacent to your character, at the cost of granting that enemy combat advantage. To get it would mean starting with STR 13, with Wis 17, Cha 19 (then investing a point at level 4 or 8) OR str 14, wis 16, int 19 and not having to invest any points ever, since paragon tier will grant +1. If I want to go this route, then choosing polearm expertise would be the thing to do (and use a halberd, maybe a greatspear later on).

Alternatively, I can forget about the polearm gamble feat, take con 13 for the extra three hp and extra surge, and go either polearm expertise with halberd or heavy blade expertise with falchion and glaive. No matter which weapons I choose, I'll be sticking with the portrait I chose since it's too cool to let go.

Thoughts?

BTW, Gary, I think the build name is Enlightened Ardent, while the chosen mantle is the Mantle of Clarity.
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I typically refer to classes options by the feature choice, not the build, at least for those classes that have feature options (ardent, rogue, warlord, etc.) :)

I'm thinking maybe you can ditch the polearm, since I'll want flanking for Khav. In that case, I suggest WE Heavy Blades and a falchion or fullblade.
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Yes, flanking is very important. I imagine most flanking will be with the swordmage, but options are nice, especially since you'll have +3 defense against OA from the ardent's burst 5 mantle aura.

I'm actually also inclined towards heavy blades and would choose falchion to begin with. I'll get a glaive as well for versatility (e.g. corridor battles). Fullblade would be the obvious upgrade from falchion (more damage, still +3 prof, still high crit).

Having researched a lot about polearms and polearm feats, it turns out the best class to specialize in polearms are actually fighters, since some of spear and polearm feats can only be used by them. Of course multiclassing is an option too.

My only concern with going in adjacent melee every battle is that the my ardent's AC is only 16. Unfortunately the Energizing Strike at-will only gives temp HP to allies at augment 0 and augment 1. I would have to use two augment points to grant some temp HP to myself.
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Ravenblade - Dwarf Two-Weapon Ranger, Hammer of Moradin (Scales of War)
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I wouldn't worry too much about the 16 AC. You'll have 1.5 defenders keeping the heat off you with the swordmage and partial fighter.
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Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
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FYI, all of the Dragonmarked Houses info is now complete. I'll be putting more up in the other threads throughout the week.
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Hey Josh, what's the ETA for this game starting?
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Khavak'aashta - Half-Orc Thief 5 - Eberron
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Yeah, sorry, I got sick and have been trying to get my class together (starts next Tuesday). It will probably be a couple weeks. Nathan still has to get me his character info and I am not sure if I have everyone's.

Also, if everyone could send me at least a short background of their character once it is fleshed out, that would be good. It does not have to be long or detailed, by any means, and I have discussed it with all of you already, but I would still like an exact text related to your character. As part of that, I would like some reason for your character to be at the Breland-Cyre border towards the end of The Last War (which, again, I have discussed with some of you), and to think about what your character does in the aftermath of The Last War (the first couple of encounters take place before the end of the war and then we will have a break...length will be determined by when I get some idea of what you have been doing since) and then the rest of the 1st level adventure.
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Mal Geminous - Tiefling Warlord, Scales of War
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We bounced ideas off each other over IM, but yeah, I'll type something up and send it your way soonish.

Also need to finalize the character build and set up my stat block.
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Ok, so, my first week of classes is over, I should largely be more free to concentrate on this stuff.

What I need from people:

Nathan - Character Sheet, Stat Block, Back Story, Image
Gary - Character Sheet, Stat Block, Back Story, Image
Jon - Character Sheet, Stat Block, Back Story, Image
Viktor - Character Sheet, Stat Block, Back Story, Image
Anyone Else - Character, Character Sheet, Stat Block, Back Story, Image

In other words, I don't think I have the final versions of any of these things from anyone yet. If anyone needs help with an aspect, let me know.
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Mal Geminous - Tiefling Warlord, Scales of War
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Hey, I've got an image! :)

User posted image
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That's right, I have one image and I think one character sheet (Jon's), but I am not sure that that was finalized.
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Mal Geminous - Tiefling Warlord, Scales of War
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I'm still finalizing the kalashtar ardent's background and playing around with the stats.

Do you guys think it's better to go with CHA 20 and WIS 16 to start? Or both CHA/WIS at 18? Or CHA 19, WIS 17? Charisima is the primary attribute for ardents to attack. Wisdom is used for secondary effects (pushing, etc) in some powers and to give a bonus defense for opportunity attacks. If I go 20 CHA, then hp will be 22. If I go with one of the other options I could have CON 13 (hp 25 and one extra surge).

Also, although I really like the image I've already found for Lanharath, I found a picture of one of his brothers. Since I'm inclined towards using a falchion or greatsword to begin, the image on the right may be better. However, the image on the left looks more leaderish. Any suggestions.



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Lastly, Josh, do you want to me make tokens for all the characters once everybody is ready?
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I vote 18 Cha / 18 Wis. A 20 is too expensive for a real character that has to level normally.
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Just wanted to be the most recent post in all the campaigns for a moment. =)
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That's cool...

Speaking of updating here, though, I now have a background for Viktor's character (and something of a character sheet). Where are everyone else's? ;)
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Mal Geminous - Tiefling Warlord, Scales of War
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Here's my ardent. He's mechanically done. Still working out some background details. As an overfview: he goes by the name Lan, he is very handsome and charismatic, is great to have around in a battle thanks to the +4 defenses against OA, his healing abilities, his temp HP abilities, and his grant save throw abilities. He is very good at flattering, lying, flirting, sneaking, blending in, and especially good at reading between the lines. He primarily uses a falchion. The longspear is the only reach weapon he could afford at level 1 or it would be a halberd or glaive. I went with Hero of Faith (avenger mutliclass) because it was suitable since he has some life enemies and because it also allowed him to learn the stealth skill.

One important thing is that he hides his heritage very well and to this end goes by the name of Lan, instead of his full name. Other PC's will not know that he is Kalashtar. At least not for the first few levels likely.

  •  Lan
    • Kalashtar Enlightened Ardent, Level 1
    • Passive Perception: 14, Passive Insight: 21
    • AC: 16 Fort: 12 Reflex: 11 Will: 15 Speed: 5(6), Initiative: +1
    • HP: 24, Bloodied: 12, Surge Value: 6, Surges: 8/8
    • Dual Soul: save rolls vs dazed or dominated at start of turn
    • Telepathy: two-way communication, range 5
    • Mantle of Clarity: allies in range 5 get +2 perception/insight, and +4 defenses against OA
    • Powers
    • Energizing Strike
    • Focused Strike
    • Ardent Alacrity (free, when bloodied, burst 5, allies shift 1 or move half speed)
    • Ardent Surge 1 2 (minor, heal surge +1d6 and +1 defenses)
    • Bastion of Mental Clarity (imm int, att vs my will, burst 5, +4 will all)
    • Oath of Enmity (minor, lasts until target is hit)
    • Second Wind
    • Wormhole Plunge
    • Items
    • Falchion
    • Longspear
    • Gold in pocket: 10
    • Skills
    • Insight: 11
    • Bluff, Diplomacy, Stealth, Streetwise: 9
    • Dungeoneering, Heal, Intimidate, Nature, Perception: 4
    • Acrobatics, Endurance, Thievery: 0
    • Arcana, Athletics, History, Religion: -1
    • (Key: At-Will, Encounter, Daily, Magical Equipment, Consumable, Used)
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          Ravenblade - Dwarf Two-Weapon Ranger, Hammer of Moradin (Scales of War)
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Hey, I just realized that two of our characters can probably go stealth. My ardent and Gary's rogue/fighter hybrid. We can always cut Jon's gnome wizard with a butter knife to trigger his Fade Away, so it might be three of us. It would be really cool if we had a stealthy party for a change because we could get a lot more surprise attack rounds.

EDIT: What's also cool with my ardent is that he could actually use his bluff and stealth skills in battle. Bluff can be used to feint and gain combat advantage or distract someone and immediately roll a stealth roll to hide (e.g. behind an ally, chair, table, etc.). When hidden, you have combat advantage against anyone who isn't aware of you. That part I'm not too clear on how it would work. If you're hidden, but then move out of hiding to attack and enter an enemy's line of sight (which you'll have to do to attack in melee), are you still hidden for that attack?
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Ravenblade - Dwarf Two-Weapon Ranger, Hammer of Moradin (Scales of War)
« Last edit by Viktor on Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:21 am. »
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I would guess so, but I think Gary could answer that better. Which of your skills are trained?
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