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Ravenblade - Dwarf Two-Weapon Ranger, Hammer of Moradin (Scales of War)
« Last edit by Viktor on Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:21 am. »
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Hey there!

So, I'm thinking with me, the easiest way to start is to say what I'm NOT interested in. :) The following are the classes I'm already playing / will be playing here or on EN World (delves not withstanding):

- Warlock
- Sorcerer
- Rogue
- Druid
- Artificer

I will not be playing a straight up character of any of those classes. It's possible I might hybrid or multi with one of those classes, though. Rogue or sorcerer could make for a good hybrid with something else (or each other!).

EDIT: I also will NOT double up on something someone else wants to play. I certainly have enough ideas to not step on anyone's toes.
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Salazar Miller - Human Sorcerer 24 - Scales of War
Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
Khavak'aashta - Half-Orc Thief 5 - Eberron
Dwimmerlaik - Revenant Hexblade 2 - Dark Campaign
« Last edit by Gary on Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:36 pm. »
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Like I mentioned in my email, I have a Drow Assassin (mostly ranged powers) that I would love to use, but as always, I am open to going with whatever fits the party's needs.
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Sir Muurak - Mul Cavalier 14, Scales of War
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Ah, yeah. I have ideas for each role, so I'm also good with filling in wherever needed.
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I honestly hadn't considered a new campaign, though I like the idea. If I play, it'll likely be a divine character of some sort. I'll let y'all know soon.
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Hedoni Midartis - Eladrin Wizard, Scales of War
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Well, I have a few ideas...

Paladin (Warforged or Human)
Artificer (Human, Gnome or Other...would be a tinkerer, summoning artificer)
Rogue (Gnome or Halfling or something...this would be a stealth based rogue as opposed to the movement based rogue I have for the delves)
Warlock (Eladrin Fey Pact and teleport everywhere)
Fighter (Unknown...this is a long shot and I would really have to find something specific, but it would not be a sword and board or reach, but I haven't looked at fighter powers too much)

Some of these ideas or more suited for the delves and I plan for them there (the Feylock, for instance). I think the main options for me, then, are the Paladin, Artificer, and Rogue. I am not interested in any of the new classes or hybrids.
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I'm in. I'd like to use my Githzerai Monk that I tried out in the delve.
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Awesome. And both githzerai and monks have been improved and officially debuted since the playtest content you'd used for the delve.

We're pretty good on strikers it looks like.

If Josh goes paladin or artifcer, that's a defender or leader, leaving us just needing the other and a controller. I've got ideas for each of those. :)
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Salazar Miller - Human Sorcerer 24 - Scales of War
Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
Khavak'aashta - Half-Orc Thief 5 - Eberron
Dwimmerlaik - Revenant Hexblade 2 - Dark Campaign
« Last edit by Gary on Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:49 am. »
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Viktor, if it wouldn't be too weird in this world, I am also now looking at switching to a melee-based fullblade wielding revenant assassin of githzerai ancestry.
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Mechanically awesome, and good roleplay interaction potential with Emily's githzerai monk. I like it!
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Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
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Jonathan Berg wrote
Viktor, if it wouldn't be too weird in this world, I am also now looking at switching to a melee-based fullblade wielding revenant assassin of githzerai ancestry.


I like it! I will send you an email with some insider suggestions about your idea.
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Ravenblade - Dwarf Two-Weapon Ranger, Hammer of Moradin (Scales of War)
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Ok. After speaking to Viktor, I have decided to pursue other character types. I introduce Demuriath, Githzerai Pursuing Avenger. Let me know what you think, and changes to make, etc... Oh, Viktor, what backgrounds should we use?

====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
Demuriath, level 1
Githzerai, Avenger
Avenger's Censure: Censure of Pursuit

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 12, Con 12, Dex 18, Int 8, Wis 18, Cha 10.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 12, Con 12, Dex 16, Int 8, Wis 16, Cha 10.


AC: 17 Fort: 12 Reflex: 15 Will: 15
HP: 26 Surges: 8 Surge Value: 6

TRAINED SKILLS
Religion +4, Acrobatics +11, Perception +9, Stealth +9

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana -1, Bluff, Diplomacy, Dungeoneering +4, Endurance +1, Heal +4, History -1, Insight +4, Intimidate, Nature +4, Streetwise, Thievery +4, Athletics +3

FEATS
Level 1: Githzerai Blade Master

POWERS
Avenger at-will 1: Overwhelming Strike
Avenger at-will 1: Radiant Vengeance
Avenger encounter 1: Angelic Alacrity
Avenger daily 1: Strength of Many

ITEMS
Adventurer's Kit, Fullblade, Cloth Armor (Basic Clothing), Potion of Healing (heroic tier)
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I endorse PHB2-style backgrounds, as also found in Eberron and Arcane/Divine/Primal Power. I think that's a reasonable small boost without the craziness of using different stats for HP.

I'll take a look at your avenger tomorrow, Jon.
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Salazar Miller - Human Sorcerer 24 - Scales of War
Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
Khavak'aashta - Half-Orc Thief 5 - Eberron
Dwimmerlaik - Revenant Hexblade 2 - Dark Campaign
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Thus far....

Githzerai Monk - striker - Emily
Githzerai Avenger - striker - Jon
??? - Gary
??? - Josh
??? - ???
??? - ???


I strongly recommend that at least one of the other players has healing capabilities. A cleric would be nice. Keep the campaign theme (hint: look at the last three adventure names) in mind with your character choice.

In regard to backgrounds, I agree with Gary. Backgrounds that confer a bonus to skills are fine, but not those that confer extra hit points. Especially since there isn't that option for every attribute (only WIS and INT I think).
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Ravenblade - Dwarf Two-Weapon Ranger, Hammer of Moradin (Scales of War)
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We definitely need a leader. We also likely should have a divine character, or someone who can do radiant damage (I know that the sorcerer and warlock both have at-wills that do that). We don't necessarily need a divine leader (cleric). If so, great. But if we end up with a paladin and/or invoker, and a bard for a leader, I bet we'll be fine.

My very loose don't-hold-me-to-this preferences right now (most preferred for each role listed first) are:

Defender - Paladin or Swordmage
Leader - Bard, Cleric, or Warlord
Controller - Invoker or Wizard

Josh's top choices of Paladin or Artificer would cover divine/radiant and defender in the first case and leader in the second, so that's solid. I'm assuming he's not going with the rogue due to the two strikers already declared, the fey warlock as that's more of a Delve PC and another striker, or the fighter, since he said that's a long shot.

Mike had said he'd be interested in a divine character of some sort if he plays, so that'd help the whole ghostbustin' angle if he joins this game.

No word on Marek's PC (or if he'll do this game or Josh's).
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Salazar Miller - Human Sorcerer 24 - Scales of War
Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
Khavak'aashta - Half-Orc Thief 5 - Eberron
Dwimmerlaik - Revenant Hexblade 2 - Dark Campaign
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Here is a website link to a dndinsider forum (it might work without signing in) that has very helpful and detailed guides for all character roles and classes. They cover all tiers of play and are updated at times.

http://community.wizards.com/wiki/Dnd:CharOp/Index_of_Class_Guides
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Ravenblade - Dwarf Two-Weapon Ranger, Hammer of Moradin (Scales of War)
« Last edit by Viktor on Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:29 pm. »
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Ah, good idea to share that, Viktor. I've been reading up on those myself lately. Some good advice to be had in those guides.
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Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
Khavak'aashta - Half-Orc Thief 5 - Eberron
Dwimmerlaik - Revenant Hexblade 2 - Dark Campaign
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Once you've decided on your character race and class, please also consider answers to the following questions for your character:

1) What deity do you primarily believe in?
2) Have you lived in the Nentir Vale most of your life or just recently arrived?
3)Were you taught your character class by a mentor, school, tribe, etc or instead chosen by fate somehow?
4) What do you want to achieve in life? Choose a specific goal/ambition that could be achieved during heroic tier.
5) Is there a specific race that your character hates?
6) Do you have a nemesis from earlier years?

I ask these questions so that I can help you better place your character background within the world of the Nentir Vale. It does not have a fully fleshed out background and history such as Eberron or Forgotten Realms, but I can suggest ideas to make the characters fit better (e.g. give you a specific mentor or region for your tribe or a location where you currently work/live or a personalized hook background story hook into the campaign). As some of you may know, the Nentir Vale comes straight out of the Dungeon Master's Guide and it does provide details on the central city of Fallcrest. I will post some of the information about Fallcrest in a Background thread at one point.
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Ravenblade - Dwarf Two-Weapon Ranger, Hammer of Moradin (Scales of War)
« Last edit by Viktor on Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:01 am. »
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I'm looking over options with Gary - I may play an Invoker again (like Ishara), since that'd really work well against our likely undead foes. Dunno about race - Human works well, of course, and dwarfs are always fun.

I've also wanted to play a gnome for a while, and if I go that route, I can go wizard or bard and enjoy myself. I'll probably also read up some more, see if anything jumps out at me. We have a bit of time, which is good.

Either way, I'm leaning toward this game, but haven't ruled either out (or totally in) yet. I'll have more info later.
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Hedoni Midartis - Eladrin Wizard, Scales of War
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Cool deal, Mike.

Dwarves make perfect wrathful or malediction (Wis/Con) invokers, and humans are also fantastic invokers due to the extra at-will (you can have your three at-wills targeting each of Fort/Ref/Will, while also giving you single target/triple target/close blast powers! I'm partial to the set-up I sent you in that test invoker PDF. :))

Gnomes make GREAT illustionist (Int/Cha) wizards (there's the neat orb of deception implement option in Arcane Power) and cunning (Cha/Int) bards. You can't go wrong with gnome for either of those choices.

Your ideas and Josh's overlap with mine quite a bit, so I'm sure we can make sure we cover the three non-striker roles and all find something fun we'll enjoy.

We also don't know yet which game Marek'll play, and he'll give us some extra depth, too, if it's this one.
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Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
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Invoker or wizard, that is controller role, would both be fine of course, given that we have two strikers so far. I'm sure you guys are fine coming up with ideas without me though, especially with Gary's help. When it comes to making your race and class fit into the world, please feel free to ask me for help. In fact, I would like to provide each of you with a some additional background info to tie your characters to the Nentir Vale.

Having said that, we do indeed have plenty of time to ponder. There is no definite launch date, only that it will be before Spring next year. Definitely not before the holidays are over.
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Ravenblade - Dwarf Two-Weapon Ranger, Hammer of Moradin (Scales of War)
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Okay, I've decided...

User posted image

Tiefling paladin!

Still need to work on the RP details, but she's statted up (outside of choosing a background). Here's here PDF (pending any final tweaks from reading up on the awesome class guide on WotC).

Here are her stats:

http://garyh.net/TieflingPaladinofSehanine.pdf

Her Melee Training feat is only in there as a place holder until this feat from Dragon 381 is added to the Character Builder.

User posted image
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Salazar Miller - Human Sorcerer 24 - Scales of War
Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
Khavak'aashta - Half-Orc Thief 5 - Eberron
Dwimmerlaik - Revenant Hexblade 2 - Dark Campaign
« Last edit by Gary on Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:48 pm. »
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I am pretty certain at this point that I will make a Gnome Tinkerer Artificer. I don't yet have anything certain for the Warforged Paladin (partly because I am still ingesting the additions to the class from DP) and the Fighter I was thinking of is a Spiked Chain Fighter, but looking at the Flail powers, there don't seem to be a ton there that I am interested in. I won't get my character done in any shape until probably around Christmas.
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Lookin' good.

Defender - Tiefling Paladin (Gary)
Leader - Gnome Artificer (Josh)
Striker - Githzerai Monk (Emily)
Striker - Githzerai Avenger (Jonathan)
Controller - Human or Dwarf Invoker (Mike)

Very well-balanced party, all roles covered, three melee and two ranged characters, and plenty of divine awesomeness to blast undead to zombie bits. Nice! :)
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Salazar Miller - Human Sorcerer 24 - Scales of War
Azad Halim al'Zahir - Tiefling Battlemind|Paladin 7 - Points of Light
Khavak'aashta - Half-Orc Thief 5 - Eberron
Dwimmerlaik - Revenant Hexblade 2 - Dark Campaign
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Darn! No cleric! ;) Oh well, can't have it my way. Looks like a good group though.
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