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Allena is going to be built around doing radiant damage and handing out radiant vulnerability. I have an at-will that does radiant damage, and I was going to pick up a feat that allows it to dish out radiant vulnerability on a hit. In addition, I had planned on taking a channel divine feat that does radiant damage and delivers radiant vulnerability on a close burst.
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Sentinel - Warforged Shielding Swordmage (Eberron)
Allena Walmond - Human Paladin of Amaunator (Forgotten Realms)
Variel - Elf Beastmaster Ranger
Thaelan the Clanless - Dwarf Protector Spirit Shaman (Dungeon Delve 4)
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Would it be possible for people to post links to their character sheets? If I saw the power cards, it would really help me get a grasp for people's powers and possible tactics. Alternately, you could post your character builder files and I can print as a pdf and host them on my website.

Allena's Character Sheet (PDF)
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Sentinel - Warforged Shielding Swordmage (Eberron)
Allena Walmond - Human Paladin of Amaunator (Forgotten Realms)
Variel - Elf Beastmaster Ranger
Thaelan the Clanless - Dwarf Protector Spirit Shaman (Dungeon Delve 4)
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Here you go:

http://garyh.net/Ered1.pdf
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I don't have a personal website to post files and I may not be the only one. I suggest Jon emails all of us an email with the PDF's of our PC's attached.
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Ravenblade - Dwarf Two-Weapon Ranger, Hammer of Moradin (Scales of War)
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OOC: Allena is down 6 with a surge value of 8. Is it worth losing the 2 HP to top off?
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Allena Walmond - Human Paladin of Amaunator (Forgotten Realms)
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I wouldn't when you've already spent half your surges for the day. Plus, later I can always top you off with the secondary healing on a Healing Spirit.
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Strategy for attacking the darn goblins chat.

I'm with Viktor on trying to open a multifront battle, esp as the melee goblins can stuff the corridor while we get pelted from range. It would probably be a good idea to have the defender's split up. Plus, we probably want two fairly tough characters in the corridor, maybe the dwarves? This gives us two half-healers wherever we get teleported, and Gary can pop the spirit companion where it's needed..

While I'm talking strategy, Allena will need to burn a surge, which will put her 4 short of topping off. Could I share in the spirit boon, assuming Geron is going to heal?
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Allena Walmond - Human Paladin of Amaunator (Forgotten Realms)
Variel - Elf Beastmaster Ranger
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I'll just have Geron use three surges with healing spirit and give the bonuses to Allena. She needs to save hers for lay on hands and her own survival. Wish I had rolled better, but still good enough I think. I'm beginning to understand why some forums describe battleminds as surge mules.

1d6=2, 1d6=6, 1d6=1 3 x healing spirit bonus

Status
Geron - 33/33 (7/13, 1 AP)
Ered - 28/30 (8/11, 1 AP)
Berna - 20/24 (7/7, 1 AP)
Oboro - 23/23 (5/7, 1 AP)
Marcus - 31/31 (6/11, 2 AP)
Allena - 31/34 (5/12, 1 AP)
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if we attack from more then one place, I'm cool with doing a direct attack, so that I can charge up easily.
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I like the splitting up idea and think a 4/2 split sounds good. 4 on the disc and 2 in the corridor. Since Geron has a pushing at-will, he's a good choice for the corridor so he can get past if it's blocked. I believe Marcus has Pressing Strike at-will which allows you to shift 2 spaces before the attack and even shift through enemy spaces. He would be good for the corridor.

Between Geron and Marcus, they could easily flank one of the corridor blocking enemies and then one of the four others could come and join the fray from the disc. I could even augment Geron's battlemind's demand to mark the two corridor sentries untilt he end of the encounter, thus making it harder for them to attack Marcus and punishing one of them if they hit.

As a general tactic though, I suggest the four PC's on the disc take out the goblin hexer first with focused fire on it.

Other ideas? If not, then:

Disc
Allena
Berna
Ered
Oboro

Corridor
Geron
Marcus

The signal to for the groups to act simultaneously could be a countdown or something. I don't really want to make that part complex or anything.
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I like that. Allena can try and use her tactical marking nuke this way. My only concern is that the corridor team is lacking healing options. I guess Geron's resistance is solid though.
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So are you all set to go this way?
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I am if everyone else is.
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Nathan and I came up with the plan, so we're for it.

Regarding healing options for Geron and Markus, Ered can always send his healing spirit and Geron can second wind as a minor action. We'll see how it goes.
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Ravenblade - Dwarf Two-Weapon Ranger, Hammer of Moradin (Scales of War)
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Let's do it.
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Ok. I will re-post the encounter when I get home this evening.
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Sounds good to me.
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As Emily has pointed out, we've spread our damage out a bit during the last combat. After rereading the combat, we mostly concentrated upon the red and pink goblins. The ancillary damage was mostly from Oboro's target 3 baddies at-will and Allena's marks. Still, it seems like we're not in an optimal position in character placement.

We've been bunched this combat, and ripe for a controller beat down. I took Allena out to the edge of the board to try and mark/lock down a few goblins, but I'm without melee support and not exactly a massive damage dealer. As death is the best status condition we can inflict, that might not be the best tactic on my part. So far, I've been playing Allena thinking in terms of coordinating with Viktor's marks. I thought about trying mini strike teams made up of defender/striker duos, but Ari's charging barbarian probably just needs room. I'm fishing for ideas. As things stand, the best generic strategy I can think of the melee characters (no Gary) is for Allena and Geron to space out and not override each other's marks while doing their best to ensure that Berna has a flanking buddy. If we can pull that off, Ari should be able to charge and feel free to trigger an OA or two as the consequences will be dire, and Berna can hopefully slaughter which ever enemy she's flanking while she and a defender coordinate their attacks. This probably means that we're directing fire upon two targets at a time, but I don't see dog piling a single enemy with two defenders and the number of characters in the game as a viable/fun option.

So, ideas?

TL;DR I'm fishing for general coordination tactics we could use to improve party synergy.
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Sentinel - Warforged Shielding Swordmage (Eberron)
Allena Walmond - Human Paladin of Amaunator (Forgotten Realms)
Variel - Elf Beastmaster Ranger
Thaelan the Clanless - Dwarf Protector Spirit Shaman (Dungeon Delve 4)
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I agree spliting into to defender-lead groups is a good idea and spread out the marks. Here, ideally we should take out the hexer. I also think this has something to do with the plot and all the "don't let them stop the ritual" stuff we've been hearing. But realistically, the hexer is just going to flee down the stairs when it gets bloodied. Unless we can immobilize the hexer or something, we can split into two defender-based groups. Also, DO try to allow for Berna to flank (good job Viktor, tisk, tisk Gary for having Emyn take my spot).
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Yes, flanking is ALWAYS good. Remember Leonardus.

And yes, not sure why Gary put Emyn where I was setting up for Berna to flank both red and blue, when I shifted Marcus. I figure he had a good reason though.

I think the defender split is generall a good tactic and is basically what we were trying here incidentally when Geron and Marcus were at the corridor to begin with. We should have used Marcus' pressing strike sooner though.

If you recall, I thought it would be best to take out the hexer asap before this battle started and I think Jon has been helping us by not using the dark cloud thingy. We can still take it out though. All it needs is Marcus to move to space L5 and then use pressing strike to get on the opposite side of the hexer (L3). The hexer can't escape easily then.
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I was looking at letteing Berna move with Emyn's OA bonus and didn't realize he was getting in the way of a flank himself.

I DO have an immobilze power with Bramble Ally. I'll try to us it to snag the hexer, but it only lasts a round, so we have to be ready to pounce.
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Marcus is up next. Shall I have him engage the hexer and use pressing strike to cut him off? Marcus will provoke on OA that way, but at -2 to hit and the enemy will take radiant damage from the paladin's mark.
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Ravenblade - Dwarf Two-Weapon Ranger, Hammer of Moradin (Scales of War)
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High Shaman Sancossug seems willing to talk, but does anyone want to risk letting him go and raise the Ogre King at a later date?
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Sentinel - Warforged Shielding Swordmage (Eberron)
Allena Walmond - Human Paladin of Amaunator (Forgotten Realms)
Variel - Elf Beastmaster Ranger
Thaelan the Clanless - Dwarf Protector Spirit Shaman (Dungeon Delve 4)
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I had Geron say his threats, because that's what Geron does. It may not trigger a battle. I'm willing to try other ideas though. We could let the goblin go, but we probably shouldn't let the ogre king remains stay intact.

On the other hand, we've all been saving our daily powers for just this encounter. Do we really want to take away our chance to try them out for the first time. :D
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I say we kill him.
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